Marathon a 'Premium', Paid for Game on PS5, But It's Not $70

Would be a great game to release in summer months. But it has to go up against borderlands 4 and possibly gta 6

This doesn't look like my cup of tea, but seems intriguing enough. What I do find interesting though is that the general consensus seems to be one of open-mindedness, whereas the last live-service game playstation showed off was instantly demolished online. This does look more innovative and interesting, but not a LOT more. Just makes me more confused about the insane level of hate concord got

Then it won't last long. I don't think Sony appreciates how lucky Helldivers II was going viral. Nor do I think they understand how well snippets of Helldivers II gameplay sold the game.

This won't be a Concord level failure (at least the art style is striking and it's a more topical genre), but it won't set the world on fire.

The hate with any multiplayer game coming from Sony is getting kinda funny.

"I don't want Sony to make multiplayer games, if they're going to do that, they need to buy new studios for that > ​​Sony buys Bungie > Why are Sony and Bungie still making multiplayer games?!

@BranJ0 It amuses me that “well, it looks better than concord!” is our metric now.

That said, I doubt this will be a massive success but I’m definitely willing to be wrong. Maybe Bungie won’t remove content that the original purchasers paid for and lost access to this time around, since they aren’t bothering with anything silly like a story or plot with this game!

Saying it’ll be full price (not 70 doesn’t make a difference when your statement is so vague), have a battle pass and three maps at launch is not a good impression. Not full price could mean 40 sure, but then a battle pass requires purchase separately presumably. For what it’s worth, three maps (four if it is indeed added to shortly after launch) isn’t a bad thing as some games have even less. But bungie also has a controversial reputation to contend with, and good will from some players may not be wise to rely on. I hope it succeeds because I enjoyed Destiny before it went off the rails, but dang this looks rough.

If its between £30-£45 then i will be there day one, I like what I've seen of the game so far and I trust Bunjie for its quality.

@ED_209 I don't really know who was actively against the idea of Sony making multiplayer games, but conceded that it'd be okay if they bought developers specifically to do it. I know longtime Bungie fans have been waiting for them to return to single-player titles since the first Destiny...so there's that.

Why? Sony learned nothing from concord.

The game is releasing with 3 maps....
You should not be charging for this...

I only say this because Sony needs a win and I think you would just get more people giving it a chance if you did not have to buy into it be available for whatever beta testing may come along....

I mean you know this is going to be monetized to all hell but I don't know I just don't think that the destiny monetization format is going to work nowadays with such a niche title in such a crowded space.

i don’t know how to feel about this game. i hate that it’s out in september though, so annoying. it’s never new s*** to play over the summer.

@KundaliniRising333 Maps in Extraction games are large. Hunt: Showdown 1896 had only 3 maps a couple of years after release.

@ChrisDeku yeah I'm watching YouTuber talk about it right now though and he said he was shocked at how small the maps were ironically. He said they were so small that just during their play session he was able to basically fully memorize and know the map in and out and they got to play I think two out of the three. So they're extremely small Maps kind of like concord...

I mean full transparency, I never played Destiny. is this how destiny released was it just like couple Maps and you had to buy into it at $40 $50 whatever it is? Granted I didn't play hell divers 2 either. Not sure how much content that had at release. However that did turn a profit so who knows maybe it works out despite this having a very different tone, art style, being fps, etc.

There are rumors of battlepass on top of that as well....
4 billion dollars for bungie... This has to be a massive success and it sounds like it plays noticeably unfinished without much of the story being done yet, but they still have 6 months.

For a premium I'd expect them to at least throw in a paid BP for all adopters, given they could switch to destiny2 route down the line anytime.
I trust Concord believers just need to convince them hard to add into existing subscription services 😏

@KundaliniRising333 If maps are on the smaller side, which I kind of suspected might be the case, then I think their plan is to release one every season, which is why it is going up to 4 shortly after launch. It will likely feel a bit content light at launch under that scenario.

Destiny had a full campaign but they were generally considered content light at launch. Content in Destiny is a bit of a prickly issue because it largely involves doing the same activities over and over again. That kinda of grindy game style works a lot better for an pvp focused extraction shooter than Destiny though.

@ChrisDeku yeah that makes sense. Solid points.

Just seems like such a poor choice to be charging for this with the climate we're in in terms of sentiment towards these live service releases. Just seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot right before a marathon LOL pun intended...

As many people, obviously not the diehards, but many are just not even going to give it a shot if there's a price for entry.

Hopefully they at least try f2p if the premium paid model isn’t successful, rather than just cancelling like concord. I’m sure the later could have found a niche had they experimented with f2p rather than opting for the nuclear option of canning the entire project

Hooooow can companies this big fumble stuff like this?? A games price is not a “secret” or a “reveal”. The price is one of the most important details to your potential customer base. Good god people.

Not my thing but I'm rooting for it, this is a multiplayer focused studio so why wouldn't I want them to succeed in their specialty!

Welcome...to Concord 2.
The game looks generic and boring af. The only way I know this won't flop is because, like Nintendo, Bungie has a ton of followers that pay for everything they do.
But hey...I could be wrong, maybe it is fun

I think this looks dope. To each their own.

Concord 2 has arrived

I'm so glad it's a paid game. Free to play games are the worst, especially in team based games. I think the people who say it's going to fail because it's not free to play are absolutely delusional lol. I imagine most of them are upset because they can't download it just to be toxic and ruin everyone's time.

Not feeling the vibe for this game. Also, asking for any price for a game that looks free to play ain't it.

I reckon this game will have a somewhat strong launch because I think a lot of Destiny players will jump on it with it being Bungie's new game.

I really think this game should be free-to-play though.

$40 makes sense for this type of game. Hopefully it does well for Bungie's sake.

This should be F2P. I would be willing to play it as at very the least Bungie nail gunplay but no way i'm paying for this.

I think it will do alright but not for me.

It might be great but it's not for me the only thing with these live service games once the servers go down that's it the end

Now I'm even more fascinated to see how this does.

"extraction shooter" is the fastest way to lose me. Only thing worse would be to call it a "souls-like"

If you're going to charge it has to offer more than f2p games do. There needs to be multiple modes, multiple maps, any progression based system in it needs to be free of micotransactions. No problem with charging for it but just make sure you provide £40 worth of content that a f2p game lacks.

It'll be more successful than Concord but that's not saying much

For a minute I thought they was going to have a single player story mode as well considering how long that cinematic was at the end of the livestream 🙄

@KundaliniRising333 The big difference between Concord and Marathon is that Marathon will get sales on the name value of Bungie, Halo and Destiny alone. I'd be shocked if it suffers the same drastic failure Concord did

@thechetearly Yep. And the price being kept secret almost never turns out to be good news in the end, so it sends a bad signal.

Bloody live service crap.. as bad as it sounds, I hope this doesn't succeed, so Sony will finally give up the idea of pursuing this trend and focus more in single player stuff.

I really like the art style; the bright colors and sort-of retro style are pretty unique. Gameplay looks good, even though multiplayer extraction shooters aren’t my thing. I wish it had solo play…

My problem with this stuff has always been the fact that Sony locks multiplayer behind an overpriced paywall. If I could drop $40 on this, and then like $2 a month for online at MOST (don’t need extra games), I would consider trying it out.

It looks good, I like the artstyle. Sadly its an extraction shooter a genre I don't like so it's a pass for me.

Hard pass from me - even if free to play! Don't like the artstyle at all - its weird 'cartoony' style with generic hero/characters that no doubt will have seasonal content and season passes and cosmetics and new characters/heros/classes to expand the 'range' of cosmetics - if it survives long enough!

I'm sure the gunplay feels good - it's Bungie, but this isn't Marathon, not the 'Marathon' I want from Bungie, and certainly not the Artstyle I want either and wouldn't want to spend my time in that environment.

It sounds like MW2's 'DMZ' mode but with 'hero's' and a more generic, bland, sci-fi setting and child-friendly colour scheme/aesthetic to try and appeal to the young masses who have the time to invest and money to spend

Haven't watched any trailers, nor do I care to, but what I will say is it would be nice if Sony did a deal where PS Plus subscribers get x amount off and they have it as maybe £25 digitally just to encourage people and make it seem like they are offering something worth getting behind. And if people like it you can keep offering content on Plus to keep people subscribed.

Making a positive impression with stuff like this can make or break games with the casual market. I know a lot of people who would definitely try it at a certain price. September is a bit close to what I assume will be the yearly EA FC/Fifa release though, earlier would have given it room to breathe in the live service/multiplayer market.

Well it’s definitely not my type of game.
It definitely isn’t going anywhere near Fortnight levels of take up and longevity.
Give it a year or so then will wave it goodbye as it leaves.

Lots of copium here as expected, but I see many, many of the same mistakes Sony did with Concord.

• Art style doesn’t look that attractive, yes better than Concord but that’s an incredibly low bar.
• The fact it’s $30/40 while also having to pay for PS+ to be able to play, F2P games don’t require even this, plus the battle pass on top of that.
• Launch is very near and they’ve stated they don’t have yet the narrative and there’s no time to adjust gameplay if people don’t like aspects of it.
• By the way, gameplay looks on the slower side which was also among the main complaints of Concord.

Wake me when it’s added to Plus.

I smell another live service disaster. Sure the game look great but there’s already well implemented titles around like Fortnite, and even if they’re not the same type of games, they’ll still compete for the attention of players. I am not sure the game will still be alive after release to six months to one year. A lot of live service games aren’t profitable and close early. Those who remains are the ones people are already accustomed to.

Personally, I don’t like battle royale games and I don’t even play multiplayer. Helldivers 2 was different, the players were cool and you actually play like a team there.

If you don’t want it dont buy it. Christ 🤦‍♂️. But 40 would be a decent price for Bungie quality 👍 wishlisted 😁

@Bluemoon2008 You can't get multiple modes with extraction shooters.

@somnambulance I’ll save my money for a console that charges for it’s tutorial and locks a controller button behind a paywall 😂😂

Sony really need to get better at being a third party publisher.

Nah, I don't play multiplayer games, it's not why I bought playstation console for 😕

Three letters for three words: D.O.A.

Just imagine what Playstation could have spent 3.6 billion on instead of Bungie

Sorry to say it looks terrible. Arguably worse than Concord.

I wouldn't spend more than 39.99 for this. And that would be after positive reviews hit. Also here's a crazy thought. Why don't they include the first battle pass for free. Just throw people a bone and give them a reason to keep playing that doesn't involve reaching into their wallets right away.

The game looks like an indie title with a bit more budget than usual, gameplay is dime a dozen, the art style makes it really hard to understand what you are looking at from a glance, and the genre is too niche / the game is to late to the party.

And on top of that there is an entry fee and heavy monetisation.

Gg Bungie.

The art style looks like a cheap mobile game. I wish Bungie luck but it was about as "meh" and uninspiring a reveal as I have ever seen. Generic shooter which costs money in a market dominated by free titles. Is that you Concord 2.0?

Positives first it looks slick and the shooting looks tight. However I am just not interested in playing an extraction based shooter

Cost is irrelevant, it could be free to play and I still wouldn't have any interest in the game.

I will be watching how it fairs against it's competitors with a price tag attached. My guess is it will launch with a huge fanfare and do just ok without blowing up the genre.

It completes the trifecta well enough to get its share of the pie, Tarkov- gritty/modern, Hunt- magic/past, Marathon- sci-fi/future, with smaller titles like Dark & Darker doing the sword and sorcery angle.
Unless this is "baby's first Tarkov" I don't see it really blowing up to the type of success Sony is looking for in the live service market. It's a niche genre and for good reasons.

Just say it's 40 euro. This sillyness from developers and publishers is ridiculous

So basic. I'd wait for a cheap steam key. The game doesn't look like it's worth more than that.

"Premium game deserves premium price!" slap "Only £110 !"

Really??? This program is too expensive even for free...

@somnambulance it’ll be funny when Marathon sells more copies than Nintendo sells switch 2’s. It’s going to be the 64 all over again. Completely overpriced in every area

Oh, right! Marathon!
I forgot I found out there's an Android port out there...
But I really do hope this is decent, for Bungie's sake. I love the look, but this is a split screen household, buddy.
It's launching with three maps and I think six characters/heroes/shells? The promise is that there's more down the line, and that sounds like it should be ftp...

@PlatinumMikey I'd say the only hope for that system (to get me on board, at least) is that the 3DS had a huge pricing turnaround. The console price is where I guessed it would be, and I'm okay with it. The games and accessories are obscene, imo.

@LikelySatan problem is you are probably not the target audience. The target audience is children with these things. I certainly won’t be spending £450 on a console for my 5 year old

@DennisReynolds why not? Why does it have to follow the exact same formula of other extraction shooters? No reason why you can't have variation. Even just implementing existing multi-player modes within the extraction genre already gives you multiple modes without putting any thought or effort into something unique. Classic mode and a down and out mode with no reviving, theres 2 straight away. That's just an example for the purposes of explaining the point though and i'd hope they'd put more thought into it than that.

The only legitimate argument against is it shrinks the player pool but if that's a concern for them at launch then that should activate much bigger alarm bells.

@RoomWithaMoose
That's not certain at all, we won't know what happens until the game comes out. It probably won't be a mega release like gta 6. But you can't compare this to a GTA.

If Sony would drop the requirement for PS+ to play online I think this game and many like them would sell a lot better. Of course the gameplay can make or break a title but I'm not going to subscribe to PS+ just to be able to try this game. I already pay for Internet and I'm not paying Sony again to use the Internet I already pay for. That said the game looks interesting and I hope it does well

@Bluemoon2008 If people are buying an extraction shooter they want it because its an extraction shooter. Why waste resources and money on dead modes that no was buying the game for anyway? They should focus on competing and keeping up with The Hunt Showdown and not catering to people who were never buying the game regardless.

@Msw7089 Most PS members are already signed up to Plus so it makes little difference.

@DennisReynolds I thought it was less than half PS console owners are subbed

@thechetearly oh c'mon surpise price are alwaythe best thing! Bungie"ll surely love my suprise non-buying of their product 😊

@Msw7089 you’re paying for access to PSN not to use your internet.

@DennisReynolds the game's only just been unveiled, nobody has bought the game yet. How can you say people who may be interested in an extraction shooter only want the classic extraction shooter? who is to say they wouldn't want that and more? It doesn't have to be just a simple copy and paste extraction shooter where they have to compete in an already flooded market for a limited number of players. To survive and prosper you need mass appeal.

The thing is - extraction shooters are NOT (broadly) popular because they are very sweaty. Existing titles have very dedicated fan bases however. So you have something that tends not to bring in the casuals, and trying to compete for player time for people who have invested 100's-1000's of hours. The real problem is - I actually don't see a real proposition with what they showed... it might come, but if they're releasing with 3-4 maps, that will die very quickly.

And I don't see much about how they bring in new players - and I don't believe Bungie know anymore (Destiny was a walled garden, that almost excluded new gamers coming in - even when it went F2P.

I hope it does well, but if I had to guess, I think they've had to accelerate release (because Sony is feeling the lack of first party games)... but rushing to market is not a good strategy. I just hope - regardless of the reception - that Sony/Bungie let this game breathe.

@somnambulance you can’t compare the features of the PS3 to the switch 2 though. At the time PS3 released Blu-ray players were 1k in the uk lol. And they didn’t lock online play or even the x button behind a paywall. Seriously what were Nintendo thinking with that. It’s appalling

@Bluemoon2008 Bungie are making an extraction shooter meaning the audience thry want is that audience or people who are interested in them but are put off by the more hardcore ones. Why should Bungie waste money and resources on modes that will quickly be dead just so they can cater to a small audience who won't buy the game anyway.

If you want a Bungie shooter that has multiple modes well in you're luck there's a F2P one already out called Destiny 2. Maybe Bungie are doing something different here and are not just rehashing Halo and Destiny again. What you want Destiny 2 already has and more.

@PlatinumMikey Target audience is children? Not really, two of their biggest launch games is Elden Ring and Cyberpunk and their big 3rd party exclusive is From's new game. The target isn't just kids anymore hence why the console is pretty beefy specs wise. £400/450 is a reasonable price for what you're getting and what it can do.

@Simu001 hahaha

@PlatinumMikey Thats ironic. My Switch has been my primary console for it's run! I play on the Portal sometimes, but the PS5 is mostly for my kids. Teardown, Goat Sim, TABS, Terraria, Squirrel w a Gun, Minecraft, Spiderman, Fortnite, Killer Klowns, Little Big Planet, etc. They love Mario and the Switch, but definitely prefer the PS5.

Watch SkillUps video on it, it doesn't look good at all basically they've taken the gun play of Destiny and brought back game they did years ago. Apparently after every game your gear you pick up resets

@DennisReynolds yeah, and I have kids age six to 18, and they vastly prefer to play on PS5.

Oh I can’t bare it when people try to argue with that point 😂. Yes there are adults who play Nintendo the vast majority of Nintendo’s audience is aged 4-18 like it or not. Sure the nostalgia people make up a chunk I’m certainly not one of them. I always preferred sega as a youngster

I really like the art style and I also really enjoyed Hunt. I put too many hours into it and at no point did I think to myself that hunt should be a free to play game. I bought it for £30 and have definitely got my moneys worth. I bought God of War Ragnarok for about £60 and played it once. So I don’t get the argument that any game should be free to play. Especially a game that if it clicks with you, you will definitely be putting more hours into it than any single player game.

Looks like another Fortnite clone

There are people who are actually into this game, so there's a chance it won't flop like concord.

Sony has entered the multi platform train!?!?

@Kiefer-Sutherland a single player game you spend money once. A live service game, you keep spending money every month either on cosmetics or battle pass. You're just going to keep spending, that's why a game like that is better if free to play.

@PlatinumMikey I get that but ps3 had free access. You can argue the benefits for paying but I can get on steam and play for free. If PlayStation copied that model sales would improve dramatically imo

@DennisReynolds no, the audience they want is as many as possible. Infact they'll be banking on players who havent played extraction games to buy the next bungie game.

The extraction genre is a small niche genre, if the player base was purely extraction shooter fans, the game won't last long at all.

Why should bungie waste money and resources on modes that will quickly be dead? Says who? You've decided nobody wants a hypothetical mode for an unrelased game we've seen practically nothing of nevermind played. You have absolutely nothing to suggest that would be the case.

@RoomWithaMoose The push back isn't against multiplayer games it's against live service games. And even then it's against wasting their top studios time and money on live service games that then get cancelled.

@Bluemoon2008 If people want to play a Bungie shooter full of modes then Destiny 2 exists. This is something new for Bungie not Destiny 3 and you're asking for something that Bungie already has out. People don't go into an extraction shooter expecting a deathmatch or capture the flag just like you don't go into a hero shooter expecting them.

Yeah i do know what i'm talking about because i play a lot of live service games and shooters and follow that scene. After 10+ being part of that scene you tend to pick up a few things and know how things will go. The Hunt Showdown is the best extraction shooter out there on console, has a big playerbase and its barebones in modes because funny enough people got it because its an extraction shooter and don't want or care for other modes they will never touch. Bungie should cater to making an extraction shooter that stands alongside the best and not cater to an audience that were never buying it regardless. If this was Bungie's first game then sure play it safe but if people don't want an extraction game but want a Bungie PvP shooter then just play The Crucible in D2.

Funny how the word "premium" has lost all its value.

@KundaliniRising333 you cant do extraction on small arena maps like concord that youtuber is talking garbage probably for moaning clicks

@PlatinumMikey Adults 20 - 40 comprise the bulk of traditional console gamers, and Nintendo's own data has shown that this was true for Switch 1 as well. Children are primarily playing on tablets and smartphones, I imagine.

Switch 2 may or may not pop off as hard as the first one did, but even if it doesn't, it'll likely sell 100 million lifetime at absolute minimum.